Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg believes Apple “[hasn’t] “Something really great was invented in a very short time” and it's moving away from its previous success. He said this week, “Steve Jobs invented the iPhone and now he's still sitting on it 20 years later. “
During this, Zuckerberg gave this statement Nearly three hour long podcast with Joe Rogan Where along with the discussion of meta Change in moderation policy And Take a stand against diversity and inclusion policiesThey got into a meta dispute with Apple and its policies.
the conversation really started of lacquer Issues with Apple. Rogan said he was moving “from Apple to Android” because he “don't like being tied to one company.” not even that A fan of Apple's App Store policies“The way they do Apple stores, where they charge people 30 percent,” he said. “It seems so crazy that they can get away with doing this.”
Zuckerberg said, “I have some opinions about this.” While he credits the iPhone as “obviously one of the most important inventions ever,” he argued that Apple has created rules that “Seems arbitrary.”
Zuckerberg said Apple has “completely disrupted the ability for anyone else to make something that can connect to the iPhone in the same way” as Apple's own products, such as AirPods. Zuckerberg said, “If Apple lets other people use its protocol, there will probably be much better competitors to AirPods.”
Naturally, there is business behind Zuckerberg's grip. Meta has been in a long-running dispute with Apple and has taken a 30 percent cut on some App Store transactions. Apple's iOS restrictions have made it It's hard for the meta to compete on hardware And billions of dollars in advertising wiped outZuckerberg said that if Apple's “random rules” did not apply, Meta would make “twice as much profit or something” based on their “back-of-the-envelope calculations.”
The pressure on Apple to open up is increasing. Its made changes In response to new laws targeting its policies in the EU, and it is facing a lawsuit from the US Department of Justice To have a monopoly on smartphones. But it seems the company intends to maintain its closed ecosystem until it is forced to change.
Zuckerberg believes that Apple's reliance on “just making their stuff profitable” will ultimately hurt the company. “Apple has been way off its game in terms of not releasing many really innovative things,” he said. He said the tech industry is “super dynamic” and that “if you don't do a good job for 10 years, eventually, you're going to lose to someone.” (It's easy to guess who Zuckerberg thinks that might be!)
Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Zuckerberg's remarks.
“There is no physical world and no digital world anymore.”
Zuckerberg touched on a number of other tech topics during his conversation with Rogen, including AI and how he thinks about screen time with his daughter. minecraftOne area he spent some time on was neural interfaces and how the physical and digital worlds would blend together.
He thinks “it'll take a while for us to really widely deploy anything that taps into your brain,” for example, and (naturally) he's talked about the benefits of a wrist-based neural interface. talked about, which Meta is working on as part of orion augmented reality glasses,
Going forward, Zuckerberg envisions a world where you'll be able to use a neural interface wristband and glasses to text a friend or an AI and the glasses will respond to you. He also believes that as smart glasses or even contact lenses become more developed as computing platforms, the Internet will “overshadow” the physical world.
“I think we'll basically be in this wild world where most of the world will be physical, but there will be an increasing number of virtual objects or people that are shining into different things to interact in different ways. Or doing holograms,” he said. Said.
“There is no physical world and no digital world anymore,” he said. “We're in 2025. It's a different world.”