Lia figure: And there are so many. Absolutely.
Katie Drummond: There are so many people, so my answer is, it will go through the court and it will churn through the legal system, and it will be slow and dirty and painful, but it is what is to protect the legal system and here Is. Security guard is our democracy and this is a check and balance. This is like the last stand, isn't it?
Lia figure: Absolutely.
Katie Drummond: Courts are the last stand in terms of our democracy and constitutional integrity. Now what we are seeing is likely that maybe it may happen. If he comes to pass then will it start to see? I know that you are not a legal expert except being Wired's political editor, but what have you heard? What have experts have told you during your reporting?
Lia figure: There are many people who are saying, “Look, they are going to come through the grip. Musk and Trump are going to appeal to them, and then eventually it is going to end in the Supreme Court.” Many people are actually consolation with it. They are saying, “Yes, the court can ideologically bend a lot of Republican, but these are trained professionals who will understand that these legal systems should be retained and followed.” I am not so confident on that.
Katie Drummond: Correct.
Lia figure: I will be completely honest. In the context of what happens next, I think in some ways, in some ways, slow march of these court systems, although decisions, even temporary, are actually coming down rapidly, rapidly, fast There is a lot of space to move forward and break things. Meanwhile from Dogi's side.
Katie Drummond: Yes.
Lia figure: Many of these eggs cannot be unheard. Many of these trimmed and firing and forecloser … After being able to say this at a court at the end, they are going to be really difficult to walk back to those people, “No, no, no, it can't just catch it Is.” And that is-
Katie Drummond: If they can say that at all.
Lia figure: If they can say that at all.
Katie Drummond: Correct.
Lia figure: We are currently listening to that concern from experts across the board. We have not seen anything like this.
Katie Drummond: We are definitely not. Not here in the United States. No.
Lia figure: Not here in the United States.
Katie Drummond: Well, meanwhile, we stop our breath. We keep working, and we all, wired listeners and wired readers, we know what we know. This is our commitment. You can read all the reporting that Lia and her teams are doing on wire.com. Lia, thank you very much for taking time to come with me. I know how busy you are.
Lia figure: thank you so much. I like to talk with you, Katie about government acquisition.
Katie Drummond: Well, now get a granola bar from my office.
Lia figure: About immediately stealing.
Katie Drummond: This is our show for today. We will come back from our regular roundatee with an episode tomorrow, about the status of all dating apps, a little light counter programming for all of you. If you like everything you have heard today, be sure to follow it Anani Valley And rate it on the podcast app of your choice. If you want to contact any of us to show questions, comments, or suggestions, write us on uncannyvalley@wired.com. Amar Lal mixed the episode in Macro Sound, which had engineering support from Jake Lumas. Jordan Bell is our executive manufacturer. Global Audio's Conde Nast is the head of Nast, and I am the global editorial director of Katie Drummond, Wired. thank you so much. goodbye.